Leesh:
""Ignorance of Science is the best reason to
believe in supernatural things like
God! ""
Naj:
you can make a sentence so ! I have reason to accept the
creator and reality of the life, i cannot be seen myself being a
product of coincidence !!
I don't know what sort of mind of a
person who seen himself as mere texture of flesh living and dying
after much struggling/enjoying ! What value he could see on human
being if all these creatures are the product of coincident ??
Taking chance is the prime task
leaving everything behind of it, would be the life that is what we
see in all corruptions.... smarter wins here without worries !!!
I cannot imagine if this world would have been without belief,
it would be a hell where no trust, values, ethics in society.....
Naj: i cannot be seen myself being a
product of coincidence
!!
Leesh:
Yes, you’re! Just think
about your lovely mother and father. If they’re not joining each other
( I mean marrying some other man/women), you’re absent from this world!
mere texture of flesh living and
dying after much struggling/enjoying
just like other
animals, but with a more complex and intelligent brain! That’s why
we’re thinking too much about everything! Too many ideas, languages,
religions, political groups etc. All came from our brain!!
What value he could see on human
being if all these creatures are the product of coincident ??
without belief, it would be a hell
where no trust, values, ethics in society.....
In this sense, it’s ok
and very useful for humans as a means of relaxation, morality, self
motivation and will power! But when selfish religious people are
misusing their religion for wealth, power and fame and when they try to
tear down other religious beliefs, it’s a threat for the mankind. World
is now suffering the bad effects of religions!!
Leesh:
If they’re not
joining, you’re
absent from this world!
Naj: Yes, this is where our brain should
work. man + woman should join..who made so
your answer....nature/ coincident...here
by you agree that one cannot be come into being without a system !!!!
(here my answer ...the creator, the
intelligent....which does not ignore the engineering that we explain
for ourself....)
Leesh: ""...but with
a more complex and
intelligent brain"
Naj: hence, we cannot be senselss saying
no one behind this..
the matter of a person denying God is
for his selfish action as he does not want to be controlled by any
guidance.....His relationship with his family members and society is
merely based on chance as and what he wish........!!!There will be big
gap between the action of a believer and non-believer in the matter
keeping relations.....
Leesh:
""tear down
other religious beliefs,
it’s a threat for the mankind. World is now
suffering the bad effects
of religions!"
Naj: You know Egypt...the ex-ruler was not
religious and how people was suffered...But when those who are accused
to be fundamentalist/terrorist now are in power and the people welcomed
them and others toooo.......Just study before branding....
Leesh:
If the creator is so
powerful and intelligent, why too
much mistakes in the creation like
Siamese, autism, cancerous cells,
dwarfism etc?
Naj:
God, he knows on his creation when and what and from
whom..... original creation is by him but the weakness or
illness are due to human...
Leesh, still you are not reaching to what I am saying
!!
repeating question ! creation and illness are
different
original creation is by him but the weakness or
illness are due to human...
Leesh:
What was the skin color of Adam & his lady ?
you are so confused with belief...it is not my problem
Leesh. i can only blame your preconceived notion.....
the colour, caste, creed....is not at all related where
all the creation has its own characteristic or feature....black or white is
not a matter but human and his sense.....!!!
Human are made to be survived with nature........
mutation is a word of science explains the process of
changes from one to next....where if no direction how and what movement to
next is, clearly proves a mastermind behind….
Naj:
creator beyond the creation
Leesh: same theory!Understanding the complex nature of our
universe is not easy for ordinary people like us. But God, of course very easy!
Naj:
you apply it coincidental in all the cases
Leesh: not me, by science people.
Naj:
Time matter for us who was created
Leesh: Before big bang (still not 100% sure), may be you’re
correct, no time! If there is no movements, we cannot calculate time!
In Quran, there is some clauses comparing human and God time, right? What’s your opinion?
(creator beyond the creation)
Leesh: same theory!
1. Understanding the complex nature of our universe is not easy
for ordinary people like us.
2. But
God,
Naj:1st one
is about creation (all agree). 2nd is
about the creator
Both are different topic…such as “It is difficult to
understand about aeronautical engg. But to understand about maker is so easy”
“A human” !!
what you are talking about Leesh !! both are different
subject..
Naj: you apply it coincidental in all the cases
Leesh: not me, by science people.
Naj: So coincident in order from one to next……Great
coincidental theory !!!!
Naj: Time matter for us who was created
Leesh: Before big bang (still not 100% sure),
may be you’re correct, no time! If there is no movements, we cannot
calculate time!
You got it !
Leesh: In Quran, there is some clauses comparing human and God time, right? What’s your opinion?
Naj: It referring to human in a place (the
eternal world) where the time length is long…….
While
reading space, there is a planet, the day length is equal to 12 yrs…(.to
complete a day) so human life is @ 5 day…………..
Naj: “It is difficult to understand about aeronautical engg.
But to understand about maker is so easy” “A human” !!
Naj, there is the real mistake!
In our universe, we can separate all the
matter into two types:
(1) Manmade and
(2) Natural.
Some manmade things (very old and without a
clear idea, who/when/why/how made) may appear as unusual and sacred for some
people. They can believe such things as the product of some supernatural God!
E.g. Holy Quran, Holy Bible, Holy Hindu Scriptures etc!
And About natural things. We don’t know
who/why/how/when all these formed, and that’s’ why for majority of people they
are the products of God! Still we can see contradictions among them! Proof:
different religions, different Gods)
Leesh: there is the real mistake!
Naj:
The example i given for you to show your wrong understanding.
Creations
and creator are different ! whether it be manmade or other..
When
you talk about nature ?? what is that !
As
far as I know that is a
Leesh: We don’t know who/why/how/when all these formed.....
Naj:
say, being a non-believer, you people don't know who.....
but
we say, there is a creator behind the creation....
difference
between this two is non-believer spent his life without any direction but takes
everything as granted and enjoy... believer follows virtues in all the way.....
Leesh: ""contradictions among them! Proof: different
religions, different Gods.."
Naj:
About God/the creator no contradiction
but
the concept and the stories are different.. ultimately it is God, the creator
!!
Leesh: Parallel to Scientific theories,
these ideas (of God) are also made by Humans about our Nature!!!
Naj:
You are talking something else...
i
precisely said scientific theories are on things available before us and is
being explained by those involved in it...
Creator
is beyond creation and it does not require theory..
If
you don't see the carpenter, it does not mean that the chair is made without
him..your sense will of course make you conscious about a
creator.......Otherwise, tell me...if chair is coincidence...????
Leesh: If It’s a
furnished chair (with polished wood, fixing materials etc), anybody can
understand, there is a human behind this.
But, if there is a
natural chair like rock or tree branch (looks like chair) we cannot say the
same. It’s natural…!
(Only 2 types:
Manmade or Natural)
Naj:
a simple question you use for trappese !!
to
make your conscious awake, my exercise read as follows
Chair
I refer here is nature/universe all whatever in it...
so
from your answer, read as...
the
nature came into being itself from nothing...!!!
!!???
!!???
Naj: the
nature came into being itself from nothing...!!!
Leesh: Where this nature came from?
Very difficult subject….Still people are
searching/experimenting for that…. Lot of ideas are there, some with strong
support of technology, science and evidences…
And one among them is God, need no more study,
formed during the stone age when humans were lived like animals in the forest
and caves!
Naj: I have
strong objection to it !! You are talking about time marked as stone age..
As per Quran, there were a time
a beginning of human race....right after Adam, Noah a folk of whom were faced
flood and who was with his followers were survived with his his Arc.....
You just picked a time
"stone age !"" there were civilisations in some part of the world.
If you go to Amazon wild...you
will still see people living like we cannot imagine, as in stone age. if
someone after 100 years appear in them and says, 21st century was stone
age....do you agree.....!
